Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heavy metal in Muslim majority countries

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The result was merge to Heavy Metal Music. or black metal MBisanz ^talk 08:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Heavy metal in Muslim majority countries

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This might be a fantastic topic for someone in the academia to do research on but at present, I do not think that there are enough sources for wikipedia to have an article on this very broad subject. Note that the previous AFD was on a different titled article that no longer resembles this one. At present, this article is nothing more than a news report of an incident in Malaysia. And wikipedia is not news. Bardin (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —Bardin (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge into Heavy Metal Music. The Guardian source at the very least reports quite a few examples of 'Satanic worship' associated with heavy metal in Egypt amongst others. I agree that I'm not sure whether there's enough for a whole article without resorting to synthesis, but a section within the other article should be fine. --GedUK  15:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

• Merge into Heavy Metal music. Create a section "Criticisms of heavy metal", which the current article does not possess. JamesBurns (talk) 05:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment A section on "criticism" is contrary to wikipedia's policy as it creates undue weight: see WP:NPOV, Template:Criticism-section, etc. All this article does at present is provide an account of a fairly minor incident in Malaysia from several years ago, an incident without any significant ramifications for heavy metal music as whole. It is hardly worth mentioning anywhere on wikipedia. --Bardin (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• • Delete: okies, changed vote. JamesBurns (talk) 06:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Keep - there is at least one major mainstream book on the subject, Heavy Metal Islam: Rock, Resistance, and the Struggle for the Soul of Islam, and I would assume at least a few academic articles on JSTOR or a similar database. I'm in the middle of thesis stuff, so won't be able to go dig into sources in the near future, but I think the concept of this article definitely has potential, and several notable sources do exist. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment I am aware of the book's existence but I do not see how that's relevant to this AFD. There are many books out there on obscure topics but that does not mean each and every one of those topics is actually notable enough for an article on wikipedia. Should we create an article for heavy metal album covers because of this book? Or an article on the best songs in heavy metal because of this book? In any case, despite its title, the Heavy Metal Islam book encompass a broad variety of musical subjects, including rap and rock artists. So at best it only partially covers the subject of this article. --Bardin (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Merge into black metal, since that is really a stance very worth mentioning there from the Malaysians and not at all one isolated incident but a systematic and official nationwide policy. Other nations with similar policies should also be mentioned under one joint section. There is no general discussion here as the title would suggest, only black metal in Malaysia, so I would not consider Heavy Metal music to be an appropriate target, although I agree there should be a section there; in fact, I feel that this is a topic that should be notable, but is unlikely to thus far have the sources. "This might be a fantastic topic for someone in the academia to do research on" is a sentiment I must agree with. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 14:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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